tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4104012373258339565.post2325103499371370305..comments2023-10-31T12:10:39.067-04:00Comments on Ladder on Wheels: Episode #5.1: More on New Calvinism and EmergentMichial Farmerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10062071425935524922noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4104012373258339565.post-9145307695538232172009-12-18T09:01:31.011-05:002009-12-18T09:01:31.011-05:00Jamey, what do you think of David Grubbs' asse...Jamey, what do you think of David Grubbs' assertion (in Episode 5) that celebrity has always played a big role in Christianity--and in particular our connection of that celebrity culture to the desert fathers? There's a difference, of course, in that the desert fathers didn't seek out celebrity, but people's attitude toward St. Simeon the Stylite and Mark Driscoll seem fairly similar to me.<br /><br />The giant TV screen in churches disturbs me, as well, but there's probably a proper use for it somewhere, at least in Protestant churches. (As a replacement for the hymnal, for example, it strikes me as aesthetically unpleasant but functionally worthwhile.) But I don't understand its use during sermons, to project pictures or, God forbid, an image of the pastor. <br /><br />One thing I admire about the Orthodox Church is its steadfast refusal to make people comfortable in its services. (When I visited what became St. Timothy's, I remember being told that the Orthodox don't even refer to their worship as a "service" because that word suggests that people come to church to be served.) I understand that some Orthodox churches don't even provide seats (except for the elderly and physically infirm), and I dig that, at least to some extent. I certainly prefer it on a theological level to the stadium seating and cup holders you find the stereotypical MegaChurch. (I've never actually been to a MegaChurch that features stadium seating or cup holders.)Michial Farmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10062071425935524922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4104012373258339565.post-38026381339055247102009-12-16T20:52:55.799-05:002009-12-16T20:52:55.799-05:00Let me disgorge some of the stuff that they've...Let me disgorge some of the stuff that they've been "learnin' " me here at the seminary:<br /><br />The "Nicene Creed" and the "Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed" were largely the result of two major Church councils: 1 Nicea in 325 (to address the Arian heresy) and 1 Constantinople in 381 (addressing further Arian controversy and the the nature of the Holy Spirit). Since the Church was finally legal and imperially supported in the fourth century, Christians everywhere were really bored and decided to fight about a lot of funny stuff that we now take for granted, or (worse yet) totally ignore. <br /><br />I'm with Nathan regarding jumbotrons, super-star preachers/pastors and church by way of Barnes and Noble. At the very least, they are an ominous sign of how far worship has declined in churches. I absolutely will not trust a pastor who feels the need to engage in such heavily ego-centric practices as satellite campuses using the jumbotron methodology. I can't remember who made the point in the other podcast addressing this issue (Nathan?), but I believe that when we look at some... no, many of the great teachers in Church history, we see men who shunned the spotlight and positions of power, sometimes having to be forced into it in order for them to do God's work. <br /><br />In my house, we have a rule that the living room furniture is not to be gathered around the TV as if it is the center of our focus. The center of the focus is our conversation, and the TV is there to add flavor occasionally. To enter a church building and see a giant TV screen front and center, while the "audience" kicks back with latte's in theater seating simply gives me goose bumps.IaKovoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08663419906277156040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4104012373258339565.post-44808720787960293462009-12-02T12:56:50.666-05:002009-12-02T12:56:50.666-05:00As listeners will no doubt have noticed, when Nath...As listeners will no doubt have noticed, when Nathan tries to press me on something by asking, "Do you want to talk more about that?" my answer is almost always "no."Michial Farmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10062071425935524922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4104012373258339565.post-76656253109083980992009-12-02T11:46:27.270-05:002009-12-02T11:46:27.270-05:00And the reason I pressed Michial on that a couple ...And the reason I pressed Michial on that a couple episodes ago (other than just to be a jerk) is that those creeds were themselves responses to chronologically prior heresies. I thought perhaps we could get Socratic and discuss what heresy itself is, but Farmer wasn't biting. :)Nathan P. Gilmourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00731491771737922242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4104012373258339565.post-15613939472613349852009-11-24T22:26:19.063-05:002009-11-24T22:26:19.063-05:00We'll probably address this in further detail ...We'll probably address this in further detail next week, but here's the short answer.<br /><br />The Nicene and Apostles Creeds are, best I can tell, the creeds subscribed to by the largest number of groups through the greatest length of time. Thus, if there's something we can point to and say, "This is what all Christians everywhere have always believed," it's them. <br /><br />I am aware they are imperfect, but we've got to set a line between what we believe Christians are and what we believe they are not, and they seem like the best place to draw that line.Michial Farmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10062071425935524922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4104012373258339565.post-86801939091647491652009-11-24T16:55:16.480-05:002009-11-24T16:55:16.480-05:00Would you be willing to elaborate more on the impo...Would you be willing to elaborate more on the importance you attach to the Nicene Creed?Elishebahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01877738129186224884noreply@blogger.com